Brian,

Tried a number of anti-D's when it was AIYH, also tried amytrip for pain and I can understand why you do n't find it acceptable, it can do some weird things. apparently if you have underlying addictions it's well known to bring them out, lucky it's only sweets eh?

I take tramadol SLow Release at night, I insisted on it and so far no problems. Seems to last all day, on higher real pain dosage it's a bit weird but nothing like amytrip.

No unusal dreams etc....no GI issues, when I start up on it again I get a bit funny mid afternoon for a day or so, but nothing alarming, Anti-D's were far worse.

As for natural things, I did get some rose hip tea once which knocked me for 6 and no side affects, wish I could find it in Oz.

The sleep is so so so important in coping....

David