Yeah, I am considering it seriously, I generally give him a few days to get over things & come right a bit - then I either give it to him or give it to him in a very nice way ) - after 13 years I think the time has come for a bit of shock treatment - even if I have to make the Doc apt & drag him there to talk about everything!! - am sure we will get there - can just be very frustrating, am glad I've found this group to give me some release !! )