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krishna #130935 10/27/03 10:53 AM
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Hi Krishna
Sprouting of seeds produces vit C not present in ungerminated form,
Also increases vit B's; Carotene increased 8-fold; phytic acid neutralised (allowing mineral absorption) and enzyme inhibitors also neutralised; complex sugars broken down; portion of starch transformed to sugar; aflatoxins inactivated (potent carcinogens); and also is production of enzymes in seed/grain that aid digestion. Other- off the wall stuff... manganese transformed into iron after germination...and I'm sure other transformations we don't know about.

The Chinese sprouted legumes centuries ago .. for the vit C..to prevent scurvy... instinctive knowledge. Beers in West trad made with germinated grains. Cut wheat trad left in fields to reach pre or just germinated state before it was gathered in
Worth experimenting with?

The info above comes from the weston price org.
The only seed they say not to sprout is alfalfa... pop in health food faddy places!! It has an inhibitory effect on immune system and can contribute to inflammatory arthrirtis and lupus.
(But I though that was what Bee venom therapy did....ie suppress an overactive immune system in cases of autoimmune responses? Confused!)

All the best
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for the info. Could you pls. let me know the correct web site address.
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Hi Krishna
http://www.westonaprice.org

The info I posted actually comes from their cookbook entitled 'nourishing traditions' by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig.

All the best
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"Nourishing Traditions" used to get good press on two lists i was on - Leaky Gut and Kefir_making, both on Yahoo. The food ideas seemed to have some value.

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I have a hard time eating all this meat though it does fill me when I am hungry



ALL this meat?? Not sure what you mean by that, but whatever we choose to eat I think we should be enjoying, not enduring....

Do you eat fish at all, can you step that up as an alternative? (and get the benefits of the oils?)

It's just that I got the impression from posts/PM's that you weren't too enamored about my diet, and if you think that it is restrictive then maybe it's not the right way for you to go? Having said that, I think going vegi, even temporarily, or just having vegi meals occasionally can help to explore new textures and tastes, and as they tend not to be "heavy" meals, maybe you'd enjoy that aspect? Although I don't think it's restrictive, it's been a way of life for me than longer than the NSD, and if anything the NSD has got me back into eating 'proper' food again, prepared from scratch, etc. and lots of experimentation, which I love. (I honestly think that the only TRUE restriction of any diet is the limits of the imagination!)

If it's your intuition telling you to give it a try then go with it....it's what got me vegi in the first place and what made me stop drinking milk, and both things made a noticeable impact on my health. The milk thing is a bit mad in some respects as I still have cheese, but obviously there's no lactose issues there, and I don't have it every day, as I did milk. I do have eggs too, and since being fully NSD again I've been eating more of both of these. At times I have bordered on being vegan but don't really want to go there fully.

At the moment my vegetable intake is non-starch -- I actually had to think about that as I just tend to buy whatever I feel like, and it's just worked out that way. As for filling me up, I've found that hunger isn't an issue. At one time I'd never go to work on an early shift without having something on 'standby' - although maybe that was more to do with not always getting a break! - but I noticed last week that on the days I had a fruit-only breakfast, that break or no break I wasn't hungry. I prefer to let my body tell me when I'm hungry rather than the clock implying when I maybe should be....although again, working shifts does tend to knock out that whatever o'clock syndrome!

Whatever your food choices Deborah, hope you enjoy your explorations and experimentations.

Good on you for keeping with it!

Take care,

Jan



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Hi Jan,

On the contrary, I am VERY interested in you vegi diet. Sorry if I came across otherwise. I just find that before NSD I ate a much bigger variety of vegies and fruit and now that I am on the NSD I personally find it restrictive to the variety that we have to choose from. So then I just couldn't understand how being NSD and vegi that there would be much to choose from to fill you up. I am very curious as to how to approach it that is all. Maybe my imagination just isn't up to par?

As for meat I like to hide it in food so I don't know it is there. Before NSD I ate little meat but now I guess I have substituted meat for starch. I find that no I do not enjoy the diet because of the meat aspect. I was reading some information on the Gerson therapy which is a very intense therapy that claims to "cure" arthritis and other autoimmune diseases and it is a vegi plan though it includes some starchy vegies and is heavy into juicing. No meat, no fat except flax oil. Once a week you can have rice or rye bread. As for cheese it just doesn't agree with me so I limit it to occasional feta on a greek salad. The one thing I have picked up on since this diet is dairy is a no no for me. Too bad because it would be an easy diet if you could include cheese instead of meat. So the more info you can give me on your diet would be much appreciated. What is a typical day for you? Thanks for the reply Jan.

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Hi again Deborah,

Didn't realise meat was such an ordeal for you - that really isn't a good thing at all, as I said already, whatever diet we follow, food is fundamantally meant to be enjoyed....

Sorry to ask again, but it's just in case I forget - do you eat fish at all, as it might be an avenue to explore if you don't eat much already? In my head that would include sea food such as prawns, and at that point I should quit!!! I don't think I ever got over the experience of working in seafood factories during school summer holidays - just the sheer monotony of it was enough to lose the will!!!

My diet at the moment is pretty unadventurous and quite repetitious - I am aware of it, but it's working for me - both physically and in enjoying it - and as long as that's happening......(am quite suprised really as I don't usually do variants of the same thing for so long - but as I say, it's doing it for me )

So.....breakfast is fruit. Tried yoghurt again when I went back to work, and ended up hungry mid-shift and with swollen ankles again - arghhhh!!! So went back to fruit-only (which I didn't think would be enough, but is, for me anyway)

Lunch is a salad, often with cheese but certainly not always. One of my fave salads is tomatoes and basil (YUM!) but obviously there isn't much protein going on there, so if I don't make it up in another meal, I usually add cheese - something mild that doesn't 'get in the way'. I love experimenting with salad dressings and base them on a good quality olive oil, often an infused one (basil of course!) and I really should make my own up sometime!

My evening meal of late has been a soup/stew/casserole - maybe casserole would be stretching it, but it's basically a load of veggies that end up without too much liquid, just because that's the way I like it right now! Next week might be different!!! Recently it has been non-starchy veggie-based, but *usually* I wouldn't have it quite so often, and wouldn't worry myself too much about starchy-veggie contect. I always, always have predominantly chilli in it, plus ginger, plus garlic. I think that even if it was quite high in starchy-veg stuff, it wouldn't hang around tooooo long, and would probably be ok even for a normally straight-NSD'er.

Sometimes I put tofu in it purely for protein - sometimes pretty mashed up, sometimes in chunks. It literally is whatever I feel like at the time (sometimes it's even cheese! - it can make a great topping or general additive!!) and as I've felt recently that I've basically been detoxing myself I've felt very happy with it, and at no time have felt bored - believe it or not!!!

Occasional asides have been stirfries (actually, felt quite addicted a while ago!!) and they have provided opportunities to experiment with tofu preparation.

Please don't feel you would need to emulate my current diet - eek!!! There really is more scope that what I've found had suited me most recently!!!

Things to consider: (IMHO!)

- if, like many ppl here, you can tolerate rice, it will take the diet flexibility to whole new levels -- many of us can eat pure rice, but also the side-stuff: rice pasta (pesto sauce is lovely, but somehow needs this!) rice noodles to add to stir fries, rice cakes for breakfast on the hoof maybe...

- Getting allergy/intolerance testing done: meat is often a culprit and maybe there's a foodstuff you're consuming regularly that is interfering with your hard work??!! Janet - buckwheat - responded better to the diet after eliminating allergens. She doesn't post so much these days (Janet, where are you??!!!) but I'm sure would be more that willing to share her experiences - PM her if she hasn't been around lately. Janet was one of the ppl who inspired me to try this whole thing and kept me motivated - hope she can do the same for you!

- Try out vegan stuff - I was in a health food shop today, albeit a small one with no chilled products - and was amazed that I'd *forgotten* that my most favorite pesto is actually vegan! It doesn't have any cheese in it, just nut-based, but it is truly gorgeous!!! Bigger stores might be happy for you to try stuff out.

- Maybe try vegan cheese also - I'm sorry I didn't get to check this out more for you, but from when I was in my semi-vegan mode, I did get vegan cheeses and they were invariably strongly-flavoured. I get the impression from what I remember of them, that even if they did contain starch, that there would be much less quantity required to match the flavour intensity of a *normal* cheese, so that maybe on a LSD it would work out relatively ok? From what vegan products I did see today, they were starchless, so here's hoping....maybe you'll get the cheese equivalent you'd like without the lactose issues?

- never think that vegan produce is second-best or making-do: some of that kit is seriously good. My ex was a complete AS when it came to food - very finickety and hard to please - but he loved vegan garlic mayo, and other vegan stuff - which has to be a good endorsment of it!

I would challenge anyone to define the true contents of one range of cheeses which are quite soft also - one has garlic in it, another has horseradish - they really do pack a punch and taste quite authentic.

- make good use of your local health food store, even if it's not that local! They generally do have excellent customer service, and don't underestimate their product range - they will generally quite happily order stuff in for you. They are usually well 'into' their products and have a great knowledge base, so use it!!!

- for any energy/hunger issues, as well as the usual GORP that is recommended, use dried fruit. Watch for the additives (which can abound, believe me!) but there's a lot of stuff out there that relies only on the dehydration and packaging method for preservation - and taste all the better for it!!!

- tofu is great - can use it for virtually anything!!!

-Quorn (plain!!! otherwise you get annoying starch added to it - arghhh!) can be an interesting alternative. I prefer it to tofu in the likes of curries, it just has more 'bite' to it for that kind of thing. Again, the minced version of it might make a statement if prepared as a pasta-type sauce, even in the abscence of a rice-based pasta.

(WAY before getting sick, I would quite regularly order a dish without the usual pasta/rice, etc. Sometimes I'd get the puzzled look, sometimes not, but it's what the customer, i.e. US! wants that is important! - always!)


(Well, us enlightened LSD/NSD'ers of course )


Ummm, time to end the never-ending post methinks!!!


If you need any other info, maybe safest to PM me - but then NOOOOO!!!! (I just sooooo love the thought of bilko reading this and maybe starting to hanker after a jar of vegan garlic mayo?!!!) (you KNOW you want to......!!!)


Take care Deborah,

Jan

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(I just sooooo love the thought of bilko reading this and maybe starting to hanker after a jar of vegan garlic mayo?!!!) (you KNOW you want to......!!!)


That very word vegan summons up a vision of women in unbleached undyed hemp dresses and shod in plastic shoes, listening to radio 3 on wind up clockwork radios. My advice to Deborah would be to have an aperitif before eating; I was delighted to read that the resveratrol content of red wine is an immunosuppressant, and has been found to be effective in controlling the inflammation in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Bottoms up I say!


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(mental note to self: say dairy-free, not vegan)

Although I take it you've not heard of Lettuce Ladies then?

(It's a sign of the times I suppose that it's sometimes not just the shoes that are plastic.....!!)


And just where the heck is the info about the health benefits of white wine?? *Tsk* There must be something? Surely?!!

TTFN Bilko Broccoli Boy

Jan

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Hi Jan,

Thanks for the very detailed answer. Yes I do eat fish. I must say I used to love salmon but have eaten so much of it lately it is not that appealing anymore. I have not tried tofu but I that could be something to consideration. I have a feeling that rice on a regular basis would not be a good idea but I have only tried it once so would have to experiment. I mean IF a person could eat rice and cheese this diet would be a snap. I will have to look into the vegan cheese that you talk about. Might be an option. I have not noticed a huge increase in my painful days from adding my organic sprouted wheat toast to breakfast. It is now one meal that I look forward to. Thanks for the all the info you have given me lots to think about.

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