Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group Klebsiella P. Lab Report

I have had A.S. for several years now and I wanted to post a lab report of my saliva that shows that I really am infected with Klebsiella P. After finding several medical reports at my local medical library by Dr. Alan Ebringer concerning the association of Klebsiella P. and A.S., I decide to prove his theory for myself. I convinced my dentist to check my saliva for this notorious bug. The lab report consists of two saliva samples. The bottom (second) sample confirms Dr. Ebringer's theory. The concentration of Klebsiella P. species is almost 8%. The dental lab suggested that I take Cipro for a couple of weeks because of this high concentration of Klebsiella P. Dr. Ebringer has said that if you don’t set up some type of protocol(s) to help minimize or get rid of Klebsiella P., that you are not addressing the issue of molecular mimicry and you are not addressing the underlying cause of A.S., namely Klebsiella P.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/masons3/LabReportKlebsiellaSpecies.pdf

Hey Mike,

Did you post this in the main forum? If not you should repost it. Not many people read here in the test forum.

Take care,

Angie

What is Klebsiella?.....Where does it come from?....Does it remain dormain in the body?....How do you get it?....

Dan


I'm a little pain on the "AS"..

Dan:

Klebsiella is a pneumoniae bacteria. There are approx. 60 or 70 species of Klebsiella pneumoniae bacteria. I don't know where Klebsiella comes from, but I have seen water filters that say they can extract Klebsiella from water. Again, I'm not sure were Klebsiella comes from. I think you were asking if it is dormant. I don't know if it is active all the time. I don't know how we get it. These are all good questions and when I post this next week in the main forum, maybe there we can get some answers. I know that Dr. Ebringer thinks it lives in our large bowel. I resentally sent this lab report to the department head of microbiology at the University of Texas Health Science Center and Dr. Baseman thinks it can live in the respiratory tract (lung, nasal mucosa, etc.)

Mike

Thanks Mike,
For the information. I am going to ask my rhuemy what she thinks of this...maybe she can prescribe some good meds, thats if I have Klebsiella P.

Dan


I'm a little pain on the "AS"..

This klebsiella pneumoniae (Kp) is why some of us do NSD -- Kp eats starch, so we don't feed it. Also why we use anti-biotics when the Kp begin to run rampant.



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Dan:

If you truly have A.S., then the question is not if you have an infection of Klebsiella, but how much. Try to minimize this microbe or get rid of it.


Mike

Is being tested for the HLA-B27 gene the same as being tested for Klebsiella bacteria? If a person is negative to HLA-B27 can they still have the Klebsiella bacteria?

bumping this up for you.

No testing for HLA B27 is not the same as testing for Klebsiella bacteria.

Everyone also has the Kleb bacteria... a bacteria that exists within everyone to greater/lessor degree. Without bacteria in the intestines we could not live (but we prefer to have more beneficial little guys vs pathogens like Kleb).

Tim