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Hey John
Thanks for taking the time to explain those facts to me. Very interesting indeed.
You are right, I did not pick up on the LS/NS distinction.
I like knowing the root of things, the little details put a different spin on things don't they?
Thanks for shedding some light on the subject!

One other question for you, John, if you don't mind...
Are there any other fundamental differences between NSD and LSD other than the obvious - one reduces starch and one eliminates it from your diet?

Hey, Tink:

There are "major nuances" like NSD is wary of spices while LSD does not limit these or dairy.

Carol Sinclair wanted to entitle her book "The IBS Starch-Free Diet," but Ebringer would not have written the preface because he said that there is some starch in everything! We wanted to keep the distinctions and terminology simple, so although her book is "Low" the regimen within is as close to "No" as anyone can achieve without actually fasting.

Hence the designations.

Understand, Ebringer used his "London AS Diet" universally and with people who were not keen on such a radical change and they nearly always needed drugs in addition to small dietary changes. Regret that sulfasalazine is not so practical for up to 50% of patients, long-term, so many LSDers also relied upon NSAIDs in the day and doing so it was very easy to fall off the wagon, since these dull the reaction to food and certainly some few of his patients grew not as convinced about diet when not in the presence of the force of his personality.

I had to question whether giving up "some" starches was at all useful. I believed that AS might be a step-function kind of thing--that is not a linear relationship between stimulus (starches) and response (disease activity and flares). He stated, that overall he believes there is a rather linear relationship, so that giving up some starches is better than nothing. But I still look at his ESR chart (from the "Cross-Tolerance Hypothesis" paper) and find very high numbers even after 9 months on his regimen. I mean almost all of these people trended down, but some must have still been in severe pain after 9 months and would probably not be out of pain until another year or more!

I'm just not that patient and had to PROVE Ebringer's work to myself quickly, so after a couple of months strict with spotty results, I began taking antibiotics and I have been done with AS (albeit not the damage it left me with) for more than ten years now.

Sorry if off-topic a bit, but the point is Ebringer's LSD is for the majority of people to adjust their diets long-term--not for crazy people like me who fast 20 days just to get well again.

HEALTH,
John

you sound like a pioneer John willing to go to great lengths to improve your condition. You think outside the box and I'm all about that. Kudos to you.

ari

Hey John

Thanks so much for that, it has really made me think.

I can now see why a distinction needs to be made between the two diets.

I remember when Prof. Ebringer first put me on the LSD diet, like you, that wasn't good enough for me and from day one I did NSD. How to pin-point what low starch actually meant was far too hazy for me and I wanted to make sure I gave myself maximum chance of success. Also I was in such a state that I needed quick results!!

I am an all or nothing person, I find I can give starch up completely but as soon as I let a bit in - I do not notice it creeping in more and more each day - which is how I ended up flaring after all this time.

I am going to seriously consider going starch free for life. If I can give up smoking when my partner and friends still do - I'm sure I can kick the starch.

Is it possible to download Prof. Ebringers foreword in Carol Sinclair's new updated diet book? I tried for ages on the net yesterday and had no luck. Am really interested to read what he says.

Thanks again, John

Thank You, ari:

Well, AS drives us to to things other people would not even consider. Now we have the experience to help others with their short-cuts back to health.

Howdy, Tink:

There is not much new in the foreword to Carol's book--we have plenty of Ebringer's technical papers for download here and it is much the same. And Carol's website now offers an electronic version of her book; perhaps this would help as Chelsea (Kiwi) mentioned it in a recent posting.

HEALTH to all,
John

Cool, thanks for that, John.
Been nice chatting with you

Hey John,

I did not know that about Dr. Ebringer. POM reference was interesting as well...

Tim