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So third day of this apple fast and I really don't feel any better at all. If anything I feel worse. I'm really discouraged at this point. Fortunately I've only been doing this a short while, but I expected to feel at least a little better by now. I don't feel better at all. I mostly just feel worse.

Hello, an0thermike:

Please be sure that You are not working too hard during the apple regimen, and have enough EVOliveOil at hand for day 4, and by next day You should experience some good relief, if You have followed the plan (no green apples, for example, and plenty of rest and reflection).

I cannot account for WHY You would get WORSE eliminating foods that were not available 250 years ago, at least at the same level of refinement, but yes the diet can, rarely, be counterproductive if You are taking NSAIDs, as the increase in fats and oils will make the tract adhesive and conductive for our nemesis bacterium, so in real life plenty of EFAs (EVOliveOil and borage seed oil) must be taken to assure that the majority of oil we take in is hydrophobic, and not denatured by cooking.

The simplest diet is fasting, and while You might not think You are ready for this yet, it would be a good time before You gave up on the diet option altogether. In my initial days of Ebringer's LSD, it did not seem to work very well--results were "spotty," but as soon as I fasted and much later did the apple regimen, the LSD and then NSD became a little more effective. Then, I challenged Ebringer's claims by using antibiotics and within four days I absolutely knew I had found the best course for me. After only six months on antibiotic cycles, the NSD alone (even without antibiotics, as I wanted to stop taking them) kept my symptoms away.

We have to make this diet work for us--whether we eliminate dairy at first or take other measures, this is the most effective way to control this disease. Carol, to this day, cannot get an "official" AS diagnosis because her SIJs are fine: This is no accident, but she and so many others believe and are confident that this is thanks in full to her NSD.

HEALTH,
John

Thanks for the words of wisdom John. I've been eating red delicious apples for the last 3 days and really haven't done much of anything that physical. Mostly just sat at the computer or laid down. I don't really want to do another fast for a while after this because I've already lost about 12 pounds. I'd like to regain a little before I fast again.

I got some minocycline from my doctor to try and add in, but I don't really want to start with those just yet because my digestive system is just so messed up right now.

I'll stick with the diet until I absolutely can't anymore. I truly believe in the NSD, I'm just not sure if its gonna work for me. I might be one of those unlucky few whose only option is meds.

One last question for anyone who knows, I saw John said "EVOliveOil at hand for day 4". While in the description of the apple fast I saw it mentioned that the oil should be drunk on the 3rd night before bed. Can someone clarify this please? Am I supposed take the oil on the 3rd or 4th day?

OOOps!!

My bad: Day three, starting mid-day through evening. Day 4 to 5 is usually the time You really feel the regimen has worked.

I hope You feel SOME improvement after sticking to this.

Now that I think of it, a member had ZERO results with diet--and I am sure they were not cheating, going over their diet rigorously and of course he was very exacting and knew he was on the right track. He would fast and symptoms relent considerably, but immediately upon eating even strictest NSD plus elimination of dairy, AS would return!

We went 'round the houses for months, and had to conclude diet did not work, but apparently he later found he had high levels of mercury and once he was chelated back to normal, the diet began working for him. Something to consider, with some dentists still using amalgam fillings.

There is ALWAYS something--some reason that might even not have such an easy explanation...

HEALTH,
John

There are other diet options before meds, just so you know.

John, is the apple fast part of a liver flush?

Hi Dragon,
Wich antibiotic did u take ? and for how long?
thank you

Hello, Violeta:

Edgar Cayce never called it a "liver flush," per se, but said it aided with "eliminations," which is a good thing for ever type of arthritis he encountered.

From experience, I believe it really does a great job sort of flushing and brushing out the intestines. The olive oil at the end is similar to some liver flushes, but Cayce did not mention mixing it with citrus.

I had my best results during apple seasons when the apples were just harvested, and often drank apple juice in addition to plenty of water. Coffee (without any creamers or sugar) was allowed.

HEALTH,
John

Hello, jeffo:

I developed an AP for AS; Antibiotic Protocol. And while I believe that everyone with AS should try antibiotics like Flagyl, an individualized plan should be pursued with a competent physician. The Road Back Foundation has a list of local physicians using antibiotics to help treat these autoimmune diseases.

HEALTH,
John

Thank you, John, that's very interesting.