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Here are some quotes from "When the Body Says NO" by Dr. Gabor Maté. The book's subtitle is "The Cost of Hidden Stress". I think these quote will add some interesting thoughts to this conversation:

"A study done in 1969 looked at the role of psychological processes in thirty-two patients from Israel and the United States. Eighty-five per cent of these MS patients experienced the emergence of symptoms that were subsequently diagnosed as multiple sclerosis in the wake of recent highly stressful events." (p.16)

"I have been impressed... by the frequency with which chronic or prolonged stress may precede the development of rheumatoid disease... I think that the emotional and psychological aspects of many rheumatoid patients is of first importance." (p.169)

"The large and overlapping set of medical conditions called rheumatic diseases include rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, ankylosing spondylitis and systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). In these disorders, and in many others, a disturbed immune system reacts against the body's own tissues... Characteristic of many persons with rheumatoid diseases is a stoicism carried to an extreme degree, a deeply ingrained reticence about seeking help. People often put up silently with agonizing discomfort, or will not voice their complaints loud enough to be heard, or will resist the idea of taking symptom-relieving medication." (p.170)


"Other traits identified in the psychological investigations of people with rheumatoid disease include perfectionism, a fear of one's own angry impulses, denial of hostility and strong feelings of inadequacy. As we have seen, similar traits are said to be associated with the 'cancer personality' or with personalities at risk of MS, ALS, or any other chronic condition. None of these traits represent innate features of a person, nor are they irremediably fixed in the individual.

In the developmental history of these patients, a striking finding was the early effective loss of one or both parents... Even more universal is emotional deprivation, another commonly repeated theme in the research literature. A 1967 Australian study of people with SLE reported that: 'More patients than controls reported emotional deprivation in childhood associated with a disturbed parent-child relationship within 'unbroken' families.' (p.172)

"A 1987 review of the literature concluded that the 'weight of evidence from a variety of studies strongly suggests a role for psychologic stress in inducing, exacerbating, and effecting the ultimate outcome of rheumatoid arthritis.'" (p.177)

"Exhaustion is the word that leapt to mind as a former patient of mine with ankylosing spondylitis described his life prior to the onset of his disease, and even after." The man described in the book was a trade union official who was a workaholic that put in 12 - 14 hours a day, six days a week for years and years. He ended up completely fused from butt to neck. But he's now "developed the capacity to say no to excessive demands" because of his AS. (pp 183-185)

It's a very interesting book that proposes a link between trauma and stress (particularly early childhood trauma or stress) and mid-life chronic diseases like inflammatory arthritis, MS, ALS, cancer etc.





WOW!!! Perfect!! Makes sense! that is definitely ME in every way!

My homeopathic constitutional remedy is very similar too:

"Homeopathy also ascribes certain personality types to certain remedies. The silica personality is said to be chronically exhausted and lacking in stamina. These people are happy to sit and take no action. The silica personality type feels cold intensely. These people are often intellectually bright but lack confidence. They obsess about small details to the point of exhaustion because they fear failure and being hurt. They tend to be shy and have good manners, but are also willful to the point of resenting any outside interference."

"Silica is indicated for individuals, who are timid, nervous, and yielding in nature. Some of them may have lack of confidence and they feel very nervous and anxious to face stressful situations like public performance or exams. They are afraid of failure. However, once they undertake the task, they perform it efficiently. They have high sense of morality. Children requiring silica are usually headstrong and stubborn. ...Silica positively influences bones and joints,...."

there's more description in my book I cannot find right now but it also talks about how a silica person usually fatigues easy when thinking about doing tasks, but somehow finds great strength to do it anyway. SO after reading that I realized that I BROKE MYSELF! I pushed myself too hard. I suffered a fractured pelvic bone in boot camp, but fearing problems, I rarely pulled my light duty chit and did what everyone else did. I even ran 2 miles with that condition.. hours of jumping jacks, running in place, up-downs, leg lifts, etc.

I pushed myself BEYOND endurance for fear of being viewed as 'weak' and I continue to do that to this day. I REFUSE to be seen as weak and now I suffer greatly. Maybe it all stems from abuse as a child and having that bad parent-child relationship I read about above. My psych doc said very much the same thing. He noticed that 'abused' kids usually have autoimmune diseases as adults. The type of abuse didn't matter. It could even be perceived lack of parental affection that causes it too.... like we put ourselves into self-destruct mode or something....


~ Trudi: homeschooling mom to 6: 16,14,11,9,7, 6 mos


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Ronel,
Hi. You got me really thinking!
I am currently working iwth nearly 20 felons. Most of them are in good health. The 2-3 with joint problems were abused as Children.... The others made poor choices with strong consequences. Those who lashed out, seem to be in good health physically. Those "bore the burden" have joint pain.
Could it be that lashing out, drugs, theft, assualt are much more than "sin" they are also the lies of the dark side, but the truth is reaction to feeling, can heal us better than keeping our feelings to our selvs.
In my limited understanding; I have concluded that many, though well meaning, accept a higher power for salvatin purposes; but very few really deal with deep dark secrets.
A woman left our church recently because in a study I said that I was mad at God for osmthing He did not do; I was trying to understand, but my anger was stil there. If I have to be perfect; I will quit trying. If I am loved and forgiven, I find myself doing better.
It is not so much the amount of stress in my life, it is how i LET IT bother me.
Good discussion, the body responds to the care our minds give it!


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Lon,
When I said "dark" place I was referring more to the subconscious rather than a "sinful" place. The place inside us of which we are not aware. I read that people suffering from RA (and maybe any type of arthritis) usually are more submissive and experience their circumstances as very negative. It is not good to generalise, as we are so unique.
I read in "Say no to arthritis" by Patric Holford about a study of hundreds of inmates that was done. RA was practically nonexistent in those who were aggressive and who vent their anger. He said, "Emotional stress, brought on by hidden anger, fear or worry, often accompanies the beginning of arthritis." Maybe we should learn to vent our anger and be self-assertive, which is what I do as a job and it is still applicable to myself as well! So often one will keep quiet in stead of expressing one's feelings. We have to realise that it is bad for us - the only important thing is that we vent our feelings in the correct way, not hurting ourselves or others.
I have another book, "Your body speaks your mind" from Debbie Shapiro. In this she described that inflammation in the joints is connected to movement and communication and indicates a fear of the future, or a resistance to what is happening, a build up of angry or irritable emotions, or an inability to say what we are really feeling. She mentioned various characteristics of people with arthritis, like being overly self-critical, judgemental, a tendency to be overly disciplined (perfectionistic?).
I really don't want anyone to feel guilty or disappointed about this "creation" which is so difficult to live with. We are such complex beings that we can't always know what we do to ourselves unconsciously.
I have a motto that gives me lots of peace - saying to myself "I am enough and complete." Then going with the flow and trying not to resist anything. Not always easy but worth trying.
Trudi, I think I have that silica personality as well!!
Take care


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Homeopathy also ascribes certain personality types to certain remedies. The silica personality is said to be chronically exhausted and lacking in stamina. These people are happy to sit and take no action. The silica personality type feels cold intensely. These people are often intellectually bright but lack confidence. They obsess about small details to the point of exhaustion because they fear failure and being hurt. They tend to be shy and have good manners, but are also willful to the point of resenting any outside interference."

"Silica is indicated for individuals, who are timid, nervous, and yielding in nature. Some of them may have lack of confidence and they feel very nervous and anxious to face stressful situations like public performance or exams. They are afraid of failure. However, once they undertake the task, they perform it efficiently. They have high sense of morality.




That is so me!!! I am a people pleaser, and will go out of my way to keep people happy. I had a good childhood, but felt distant from my father, and always felt I had to prove myself to him; luckily in adulthood I got over these issues

I am a great believer in how stress can affect the body; I have insulin dependant diabetes, and if I am stressed my blood sugars go up dramatically. I'm not good at showing or letting stress out, and end up with physical symptoms and illness.

I am slowly getting better at saying no, and being "selfish", but not easy when it's part of your character!!

Very interesting topic.

Emma.


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Dear Ronel,

My step sis practices EFT and has been wanting to do work with me... I am interested but I don't know, just haven't yet.

A good friend also does theta healing and is very in touch with angels and energies. I would love to work with her too but she lives a little far and just had a baby....

Anyway, guess I am very blessed to have these ladies and I should one day give this all a try. I will be sure to get back with you.

In the meantime, my step sis' website is ninadixon.com

Good luck, Jess


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Thank you so much Wendy for taking the time to post that. Is the book available in shops (Australia?). I am so open to this as it resonates truth with my situation me.
I also read Louise Hay and have been told to read some Brandon Bays too. All about healing on the cellular level.
Again, thank you.
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Good to have 'stuff' up your sleeve for the next step of our journeys. The motto of one guy who teaches EFT is "try it on everything" I find it relaxing and gives me a freedom feeling. My osteopath told me about it then by accident found it late one night on a link somewhere. Coincidence......maybe not!!
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Hi there!

My acupuncturist, about 4-3 years ago mentioned it and showed me what to do. I used to get the email newsletters, I haven't seen one in a while - I guess I did not miss them;-) but like Trudi, I too have to remember to do it and never do. The most important pat about tapping is the points at which you tap and the sequence.
Just tapped meself - it's a good idea I hope it works for you.
Good luck!!
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Hi Ronel,

i discovered this technique earlier this year when I nearly became emotionally overwhelmed by my circumstances. Like a lot of people, I blame myself, if not for the cause certainly for the progression of my disease.

EFT certainly helps me emotionally and mentally. It helps me get a sense of calmness and peace when I am getting stressed and release 'blame' thoughts. This helps me cope better with day to day challenges. this helps a little physically but I don't hold out a physical cure with this technique. sorry! i often think I could deal with this so much better without the blame and that is where EFT helps me.

I so hope you get great results.

Take care.

Peter


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