Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; mercury chelation confusion!

I'm not sure if this belongs in this forum so if it doesn't I apologize. I've only posted in this forum since being here and I know this topic has been discussed before. Plus I value and trust the opinions of people in this specific forum very much.

I had a recent mercury test done by doing the urine challenge test through Doctor's Data. My levels came back insanely high! Like 57ug/g high or twice the level that is considered toxic. I have a feeling this has been a part of what has held me back from fully healing!

My naturopath put me on a chelation program called MercOut with DMPS. It wasn't cheap either, $300 to be exact for a 1 month supply. Currently, I have 8 amalgam fillings in my mouth that I'm planning on removing ASAP but here is where I'm confused.

The ND thinks that I need to chelate first and get the levels down a bit before getting the fillings out as he said that inevitably once you do get them out you will be re-exposed to mercury vapors and that since my levels were so high I need to bring them down first before having them removed. Sounds right to me.

However, upon further research one of the more respected/well known authorities on mercury removal who has done all the research is Dr. Andy Cutler. While not an MD, he himself had mercury poisoning and healed himself and is a scientist/biochemist with a PhD. He has written numerous books and has several blogs, and many people who religiously follow his "Cutler Protocol" for safe mercury removal.

His method says you MUST remove the fillings FIRST for risk of pulling more mercury into the blood stream during chelation and that you should be taking the chelating agent once every 3-4 hours in very small doses (6-12mg) to keep the levels of chelation consistent as to not risk "stirring everything up" and then having it resettle elsewhere in the body. Currently the MercOut program has you take one DMPS pill (125mg) at night before bed and then these supplement pills in the morning which contain things for liver support, and further binding. Also, I had the urine challenge done and the Cutler protocol states how inaccurate this is and actually harmful and that you should be doing "hair testing" to get reliable results.

I've only taken one DMPS at this point. But after reading the Cutler protocol wonder if my ND is going about this all wrong?!? Does anyone else here have any experience with mercury chelation and the proper way to do this?

thanks so much again and look forward to everyone's response!

Hello, FlexibleMind:

I do not believe in Dr. Cutler's assertion that the chelation materials will leach out more Hg, however, I do believe in his suggestion that the amalgam should be removed before doing chelation.

And regret I have no experience with this kind of chelation; I have had it done via infusion--EDTA only. It costs between $100 to $200 per treatment.

I would not worry about the measured levels very much, with the right removal methods, re-exposure is minimal. The thing to decide is whether You have any symptoms of Hg toxicity currently, and if You do, it might be better to do some of the chelation. The body is tolerant, to some extent, and it should be unnecessary to chelate several times in succession, especially if cost is an issue.

HEALTH,
John

Hey John-

Thanks for the message.

My ND suggested Chelation first since he has seen one case (rare I know) where someone had very high levels of mercury and went to get the amalgams removed and then began experiencing MS like symptoms as the threshold was already quite "Full" so to speak. Thus he'd rather be safe and chelate now for a month, then have me get them removed, then chelate again after that.

Not sure if I have the full symptoms of Hg toxicity. Fact is that my pain is still not quite as low as it could be doing LSD. It fluctuates quite a bit still and also my HSV2 has been going crazy for the past 2 years. Personally, I believe the onset of the AS could have been triggered by mercury toxicity as well or at least played a small part. I'm the only person I know with this many fillings in my mouth and two of them are HUGE. Like the entire top of the tooth huge so I wouldn't be surprised if there is some truth to this. I've gone full on NSD but it did't change anything and I honestly feel better doing more LSD as I've done for the past 18 or months. Perhaps once I get chelated, the diet will work better for me and I'll finally round that last corner. Thanks again John.

Jason

Jason,

I have not done chelation myself, but my AS started right around the time I got my mercury fillings out, and a first root canal in. Be wary of what they want to do to your teeth upon removal of the fillings.

I read of a couple of people who's fillings began crumbling and falling out on their own as a result of chelation with them still intact. Could you imagine how much you would ingest from having half broken ones until you could make it to a dentist?

I'm sorry I just seem to add questions and have no real answers. But I do wish you the best of luck. And I would like to put my foot in the butt of the person who decided it was a good idea to make dental fillings out of mercury. Idiots.

-Donette

FlexibleMind - From what I know of getting rid of the mercury fillings, the process of removal needs a specialist 'holistic' dentist. *Needs specialist, expert, removal including use of protective coverings of the inside of the mouth, so that one does not inhale nor swallow mercury fragments.

It is expensive - but worth it for the sake of good health.

NO root canals, no implants.

Don't know anything of Andy Cutler, but strongly suggest you research: holistic dentistry - safe removal of mercury fillings

Hope this helps -

Molly C
Keeping on Keeping on (as one does...)

I had my amalgam fillings out in the early 90's. I went to the dentist that knew the most about it at that time and was in driving range, 2 hours. I had 16 fillings, a lot of them large. The fillings actually create an electrical charge that in some cases is stronger than the charge of your brain. The dentist found out which quadrant had the highest charge, and took out that quadrant first. He did one quadrant a week. Some times in between appointments I actually felt like I was going crazy. My husband had it done, too, and he would get in a really bad temper between appointments. During an appointment I would have to get out of the chair and use the rest room many times, the mercury had definitely been affecting my kidneys and the release of fumes during the removal was hard on my body. The dentist didn't use a dam, but I have a small jaw and I doubt that it would have fit. Also, I don't know if you can imagine having something like that in your mouth while getting dental work done. I would feel like I was going to suffocate.
After it was over I was almost brain dead for what seems like a long time. If I was standing around with friends I wasn't able to add to the conversation. I stayed in bed every day til about 12:00. I had terrible headaches, and during that time I took either aspirin or ibuprofen, I can't remember which.(I had stopped taking all medications years before that, and still don't take any.)
I knew then and know now that I had to have it done. I wish I would have had something to help get the mercury out of my body, though. Can you imagine it being in there year after year? Does it just get deeper and deeper ingrained into your tissue?
A company named DNR makes body soaks and oral drops to get heavy metals out of your body, which I started using 4 or 5 years ago. I've read a lot about chelation, and I do believe the DNR stuff is the safest way. But besides that, maybe chlorella, and a lot of it, and Vitamin C during the removal would help, because for sure there will be mercury released. I would space out the appointments, too, so your body can deal with what's been released before another dump.
It's not easy, but it's worth it. It might not be so bad for you as it was for me.

Violeta - What they use now inside the mouth to protect against the mercury during removal, is a sort of rubberised inside mouth sheet. Fits over the tooth being attended to, and the rest guards the inside of the mouth. Is great, as don't swallow all that water they use! Very comfortable. And no, one does not gag. You can't swallow it and no danger of so doing.

Yes. Chorella is reckoned to be good in chelation of metals.

Molly, that sounds like what they had back then. Have you used it? I have a hard time with something like that being in my mouth. They have a suction hose to make sure the water doesn't go down your throat, which is not so bad.

One thing that is a strange phenomenon is that after all the fillings are out you no longer have the current from the battery that the fillings were producing, and it's quite a downer!

I'll see if there's anything online about it. Hal Huggins has a book called "It's All in Your Head" that has a lot of good info. I don't know if it's still around or not.

Here's a link to information from Hal Huggins:
http://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/faqs.php

Wow Donette, I wonder if there was a link between your exposure and the onset of your AS? Its really is ridiculous that someone thought it was a good idea to put Mercury in the mouth!?! Yes, agreed on finding a safe dentist too. Wow, Violeta that sounds really crazy. I'm glad you got them out now but it sounds like there is certainly a recovery period for sure which is probably why it's best I actually chelate now with levels so high before I do go in.

I have done the research and realize I don't want just any dentist doing this. I have found someone here certified by the IAOMT and has been doing safe mercury removal for 30 years now. He uses a separate sealed off room, dental dams, your own oxygen supply so as to not breathe the vapors, cooling, high speed vacuum, etc. so I'm pretty happy with him just don't know if I can afford it yet, lol.

I spoke with the head doctor at MercOUT today and he assured me it was safe to begin chelation with the fillings still in my mouth. He used the analogy of a boat with a leak and the chelation like using a bucket to start bailing the water. Until I can plug the leak (get the mercury removed) it's good to start bailing the water out (chelation) since I've been exposed for the past 18 years consistently. Can't wait to get these things out.

Thanks everyone I'll keep you posted!

Jason

Violeta - Yes, my dentist uses this rubber 'mack' when he is doing certain work on my teeth, and sometimes 'I' use the suction thing - that way I know where the water is going, otherwise the dental nurse uses the suction thing.

The thingie I loath is the tooth holder, or tooth brace, that they use - so uncomfortable. That, and the injections!