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Thanks tiger.
Amazing how similar these recipes are to corn mash liquor production - without the copper coils...
There seems to be more recipes than regions! Not surprisingly Bulgarians use bulgher wheat and close to Africa millet more is used. Don't know where rice fits in, but it's back where i started with waste starch from boiling rice.
The iodine will always react as there will still be much 1-6 glucose bonding and i'd say at best we can rate this stuff as friendly as rice. For me it needs further fermenting, better selection of ferment and ingredients and some oxidation to lower the alcohol.
So the kefir experiments will proceed.
Meanwhile millet beer sounds like a better idea for my gluten intolerance...
and it's summer so the home brew kit will re-emerge.

Ted

Hi Tiger,
How I love this forum. One talks about an almost forgotten drink and some days later someone in Turkey buys it around the corner. Hope you don't have any bad effects from it cause the fermentation of readily bought Boza is probably short and there will probably still be some starch in it. I don't mind trying things like that out on myself but I don't want to get others into trouble. Hope the fermentation has done enough in breaking down the starch molecules to get it easily digestible for you and I do want to hear about your observations. Good to hear you're doing well on the NSD
Gerard

"That we become twice as old now as a century ago is the work of plumbers, not doctors" -Midas Dekkers-

Hi Ted,
Very interesting thread and it may take me some time to catch up.
Question: Is there a safe fermentation method ? Which is a good yeast for us? baker's yeast saccharomyces cerevisiae may have some issues.
Ann Rheum Dis. 2003 May; Anti-saccharomyces cerevisiae IgA antibodies are raised in ankylosing spondylitis and undifferentiated spondyloarthropathy.

Rgds.,
Krishna

Thanks Krishna, i'm aware of some bad press for Sc. I'm also aware of unsubstantiated linking of Sc with Ca.
There are over 100,000 different types of mycotic organisms, of which less than 200 are pathogenic to humans [22]; Saccharomyces cerevisiae is beneficial to humans. It should be noted that according to W. Crook, M.D., perhaps the nation's best known expert on Candida albicans, "yeasty foods don't encourage candida growth...Eating a yeast-containing food does not make candida organisms multiply" [23]. Some people, though, are allergic to the cell-wall of yeast [23]. Our Saccharomyces cerevisiae has had the cell-wall enzymatically processed to reduce even this unlikely occurrence. In fact, since it contains approximately .2% superoxide dismutase by weight, as well as beta glucans, (both of which may have some efficacy when Candidiasis is present [24-26]) this may explain why some people who have "yeast infections" report improvement after consuming products containing enzymatically-processed Saccharomyces cerevisiae.
I have bolded the Our to show that this is a commercial quote.

All this stuff to me is interesting, but i think it is a chicken and egg argument as you may by now be aware of my thinking. Some of us express sensitivity to all manner of foods, chemicals and organisms because of the compromised gut instrumental in us contracting spondylitis. I would not be surprised if IgA for Sc showed up in IBD or other SpAs or other auto-immune conditions or people with gastric shortening surgery - anyone with GIT damage.

Ted

Hi Gerard,

The test result is a little bit shady since after trying one bottle of Boza in friday I went to Ikbal thermal hotel near central of Anatolia (Afyon) in saturday early morning. This hotel and similar hotels in Turkey are widely used for Romatoid Arthiris and AS treatments in natural basis. When I go to this hotel I really feel very comfortable. Also you can drink the natural water. The content of the natural water is as follows:

No colour, smell and deposit
PH: 7.96
Nitrit (mg/lt):None
Ammonia: None
Strength:12
CO2 (g/l):0.64
Fluorine(mg/lt):0.49

Sodium (Na):278,3mg
Calcium (Ca):24,048mg
Magnesium (Mg): 14.587mg
Iron-Aliminium (Fe-Al):0.31mg
SO4:96,757mg
Cl:47,570mg
HCO3:677.1mg
NO3:3.37mg
H2SiO3:101,4mg

You can reach the information to this thermal otel from the address www.ikbal.com.tr/tr/termal_u.htm

So the Boza affect didn't evaluated properly. But I promise you I can test another bottle of Boza within this month and inform you.

Tiger

Well, at least you're not in big flare, but you are right: the thermal hotel looks very relaxing and it can give a lot of relief to swim, have hot bath's etc. Nice site, they even have a Dutch translation. Hope things will quiet down soon in Turkey and that they may catch the agressors behind the recent bombing in Istanbul. Not that it will interfere my visit of course. Any information about Boza use is welcome as is any other info about you or dieting and AS in Turkey.
Gerard

"That we become twice as old now as a century ago is the work of plumbers, not doctors" -Midas Dekkers-