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>> I have friends who have done the Atkins diet (not the same, I know, but still, no
>> carbs, more meat, eggs, etc) who claim that it really messed up their stomachs,
>> and that they are still suffering the consequences a couple of years later...

Hi bleen,
well... as you know the NSD doesn't have to be anything like the attkins diet. You could for instance follow NSD and still follow a high-carb and low-protein / low-fat diet. You could do that simply by sticking to fruit and vegetables and eating less meat, its up to you.

"So long and thanks for all the fish" - Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy

The negative experiences I have had with Lactic acid have all had to do with an imbalance in my Krebs Cycle. My primary tools for bringing things into balance there were Malic Acid, magnesium, and potassium. Once I had that back in balance I had no issues with lactic acid.

Klebsiella is no way "healthy flora", as I'm sure everyone knows. Replacing the klebsiella with healthy bacteria was a high priority for me.

Antibiotics may be a short term solution. I was looking for something more precise and less like the "napalm" approach that course of antibiotics would provide.

The Probiotic blend that I've found to work best for me these days is Udo's Choice "Infant's Blend Probiotic". Here are the ingredients in this blend.

Lactobacillus casei: 35%
Streptococcus thermophilus: 20%
Bifidobacterium infantis: 15%
Lactobacillus acidophilus: 15%
Bifidobacterium bifidum: 5%
Bifidobacterium breve: 5%
Lactobacillus bulgaricus: 5%

In a base of: maltodextrin and ascorbic acid

(Note - Maltodextrin is a type of starch and could conceivably cause a flare if you're uber-sensitive. I personally haven't had any flares while using this product.)

I typically take a tablespoon twice a day when I'm using it.

As I mentioned earlier, I primarily used Ultra Clear Plus and Endefen in my early stages of clearing my AS. These two products helped promote healthy flora and acted as powerful detoxifiers.

My initial detox made me so sick that I thought I was going to die. It took about 5 days for the detox to get front-loaded. Once it got rolling I was greatly weakened for the next 5 days. I then started to feel better as I continued the detox. After a total of about three weeks I decreased my dosages and continued to take both products on a daily basis for a number of months.

This was a very important step for me for a few reasons. First, it gave me a safe source of nutrients. I didn't have to eat as much food (which could have been suspect) since the powder was quite filling. It also helped to heal my digestive tract and promote healthy flora.

I wish I would have kept a diary of everything I did these past few years. It would be a lot easier for me to write this stuff down now. =)

Take Care.

Cody.

Cody,
I am considering taking Udo's Choice "Advanced Adult Probiotic", and I wondered why you chose the infant's formula? Did a physician recommend it specifically for your case? I have been taking Natren's Healthy Trinity off and on for over two years, with good results, however, it is limited to just three species of good bacteria (L. acidophilus, L. bulgaricus, and Bifidobacterium bifidum). I am looking to increase the diversity of good bacteria in my gut. Especially, to add Bifidobacterium longum, which is reputed to be a good human symbiont with the ability to stay in the gut after probiotics are no longer taken. Curious as to your view point on this.
Jan

Jan,
Maybe the article in the thread below may shine a light on this as the infant type bifidobacteria seem to trigger less pro inflammatory cytokine production and more anti anti inflammatory cytokine production.
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cytokines
Gerard

"Tell me what kind of food you eat, and I will tell you what kind of man you are."
-Anthelme Brillat Savarin -

Font errors, but reads OK

Ted

I've got Crohn’s disease...
...and he's got mine...
Spike Milligan

Heya,
Good to see you Ted !!. Thanks for the article I'll print it out. I'll be getting an interesting little library this way though strongly biassed of course.
Gerard

"Tell me what kind of food you eat, and I will tell you what kind of man you are."
-Anthelme Brillat Savarin -

Where yo on any meds when you went through your detox?

Thanks
Chris

nope, none at all. literally, just filtered water and only about four apples max per day, all tested for starch. I didn't take any supplements during that time either. I hadn't been on any meds for a good couple of years before the diet, though have recently started popping celebrex every now and then when the pain is too much.

Thank you Gerard,
I will get the paper for that abstract. I am not sure, but I think in my case it would be wise to stimulate my gut immune system. I have almost no sIGa, for example. Can't do food allergy tests with gut IG, because I have so little sIGa, that the tests are all negative--my gut immune system can't mount a response. I don't have AS, or RA, although I have lots of Pm but (apparently) not the DR1 or DR4 genetic predisposition to RA. Maybe stimulating my gut immune system will help reduce Pm counts. Or maybe, taking the Advanced Adult Formula will just make me sick (again)!
Jan

Hi Jan,
Ted was so kind to attach the full article with his post. Click on "attachment" below his name. If this article is correct it is indeed true that we should try one of the two strategies to fight against gram negatives that are our problem (Klebsiella in case of AS P Mirabilis for you). The adult type will help the body fight the gram negatives but can cause inflammation of the intestines when the body reacts too much. The infant types will downregulate the inflammation but can cause Klebsiella or Proteus to invade even further. Looks a bit like a catch 22 situation to me but maybe if we choose the right one in the right situation we can make some progress.
Gerard

"Tell me what kind of food you eat, and I will tell you what kind of man you are."
-Anthelme Brillat Savarin -