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hi rumble,
yeh, could be. but also, i've found that tums (calcium carbonate) seems worse for me for stomach issues. i reach for liquid mylanta (magnesium and aluminum hydroxides plus simenthicone) instead. of course some worry about aluminum, but i know i can not do calcium carbonate at all! that actually makes my gastritis worse and my husband's reflux worse.
but as you were saying, better to uncover the culprit and stop the aggravating factor, rather than treating the symptoms.
sue
Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
Humira (still methylprednisone for flares, just not as often. Aleve if needed, rarely.)
LDN/zanaflex/flector patches over SI/ice
vits C, D. probiotics. hyaluronic acid. CoQ, Mg, Ca, K.
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4. the jaw necrosis from the bisphosphonates is rare and mostly seen in chemo patients. so that isn't a huge worry, but #2 above is.
This review from Johns Hopkins certainly indicates that jaw osteonecrosis in patients treated with bisphosphonate drugs for osteoperosis is quite rare. The increased risk is in cancer patients treated with much higher doses. http://www.hopkins-arthritis.org/arthritis-news/2006/bisphosphonate_jaw_osteonecrosis.html"Ninety four percent of cases occurred in conjunction with intravenous therapy with the aminobisphosphonates pamidronate or zoledronic acid. The non-aminobisphosphonate, clodronate, was not associated with any published reports of jaw osteonecrosis. Most (85%) of cases occurred in the setting of multiple myeloma or metastatic cancer. Only 4.1% of cases (15 reported patients) occurred in patients treated for osteoporosis (most of who were treated with oral bisphosphonates)."and "Conclusions The strongest association of bisphosphonate use and jaw osteonecrosis occurred in patients treated with intravenous bisphosphonates of the amino-bisphosphonate class (pamidronate and zoledronic acid) and mostly in those receiving these drugs for malignancy. Dental surgery and/or physical trauma to the jaw were precipitating events in many cases."As does this report available on Emedicine: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1447355-overview"Evidence is insufficient to confirm a causal link between low-dose bisphosphonate use in osteoporosis with osteonecrosis of the jaw. Osteonecrosis of the jaw is primarily associated with high-dose bisphosphonate use in cancer patients.5" According to the Hospital For Special Surgery, "There are less than 20 cases in the world’s literature associated with oral bisphosphonate therapy for treating conditions such as Paget’s disease or osteoporosis." http://www.hss.edu/conditions_14616.asp "Although it is unclear how many cases were not reported, it seems to be quite uncommon, given the large number of patients that have taken these medications."*** edit/add info *** I am not saying that strontium is a bad idea. Ongoing research into strontium for osteoperosis is promising. However, long term use of strontium has not been studied nearly as extensively as bisphosphonate therapy has been. Who knows what unintended and currently unimaginable side effects will come to light down the road? The risks of bisphosphonate therapy appear to be exaggerated in the alternative medicine realm.
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However, long term use of strontium has not been studied nearly as extensively as bisphosphonate therapy has been. I'm no scientist, but I'm inclined to have much more confidence in something found naturally and that is in the same group (Perioditc Table) as Magnesium and Calcium (although also sharing that distinction with Radium) as opposed to something synthesized by man in a laboratory.
Kind Regards,
Jay
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Strontium Citrate has been in use for Osteoporosis in EUROPE for a 'n number of years - but NOT in use in the USA (who are still 'out' - probably awaiting John's Hopkin's research results - although EUROPEAN research results are out there for ALL to take congnisance of).
USA asre planning their own version of the Protelos Strontium Ranelate version under synthesised: Strontium MANALATE.
Strontium Citrat e is natural form of stronitum citrate! The Protelos Strontium Ranelate is the synthetised form of Strontium Ciutrate - so as the pharmaceuticals cos. can make a return o theri investment. wwhereas, strontium Citrate canot in and of itself be of interest TO pharma.
All info out there.
OK guys, go do your own research. 'Smile'.
BTW - court cases have been brought against pharma for osteonecrosis of the jaw - and that is for 'standasrd' administration of the BIS drugs, i.e. not at high levels! Pharma will have everyone believe that ONLY cancer cases are involved and all other cases are so minimal as to be irrelevant findings...brushed under the carpet - believe pharma if you will: Ho-Hum chums...!! Reiterate: in Europe BIS drugs asre found to have unacceptable side effects, preference is given to Protelos Strontium Ranelate, which is only strontium Citrate synthesised from the NATURAL form of S.C. into a synthesised form in order for pharma to get their investment back.
Answer to jaybird: Strontium Citrate is a NAYURAL form, other forms of Strontium C. ARE synthesised, and, ho-hum, are buffered with carriers, as in the Protelos, with Aspartame!
The BIS drugs are a great cash cow for pharma!
Back to tennis (Wimbledon) and weeding my potegere - vaggie garden.
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thanks for that information,
that was the impression i got regarding the jaw necrosis.
however, the thing i worry about more is all that talk about the brittle bone that is said to form with the bisphosphonates and lack of new bone formation. is there anything you can link, quote to put my mind at ease about that if the strontium experiment fails?
i sure wish the vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, and exercise alone were working as well on my spine as it (or something) has on my hip, but strontium just seems like the safer of the options to me right now, mostly because of all the bad press regarding the bisphophonates, but as i said, if you can link info against that last paragraph, that would be awesome!
sue
Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
Humira (still methylprednisone for flares, just not as often. Aleve if needed, rarely.)
LDN/zanaflex/flector patches over SI/ice
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jay, that was my thinking regarding the strontium, right below calcium on the periodic table.
though "natural" doesn't always mean "healthy" as in lead or mercury poisoning.
still, given an option, i've just heard so much bad press about the bisphosphonates and a lot of promising results for the strontium. guess time will tell.
sue
Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
Humira (still methylprednisone for flares, just not as often. Aleve if needed, rarely.)
LDN/zanaflex/flector patches over SI/ice
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chiro
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thanks for the info molly, and enjoy the tennis and the garden  no better medicine than the garden! 
sue
Spondyloarthropathy, HLAB27 negative
Humira (still methylprednisone for flares, just not as often. Aleve if needed, rarely.)
LDN/zanaflex/flector patches over SI/ice
vits C, D. probiotics. hyaluronic acid. CoQ, Mg, Ca, K.
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Strontium Citrate - more info. Had a great article on it, from a leading doctor in Canada/America, but mislaid my paper work. However, here are some links to S.C. Web Results 1 - 10 of about 20,200 Sponsored LinksAlgaeCal VS Citrate Compare Lab Made Calcium Citrate To Whole Food Organic AlgaeCal www.algaecal.comStrontium Citrate Great Deals on Natural Herbs & More Low Prices - Same Day Shipping! www.iHerb.comStrontium: $10.75 Monthly special on Strontium. Free shipping offer. betterhealthinternational.comMore Offers: strontium citrate -osteoporosis, strontium citrate Web Results[PDF]Strontium (citrate) Strontium. (citrate). What Is It? Strontium is one of many trace minerals essential for bone health. It is a divalent cation and is transported ... www.purecaps.com/pdf/pi/strontium_citrate.pdf - Similar Swanson Premium Strontium Citrate 340 mg 60 Caps - Swanson ... Found in healthy bones & teeth; Molecularly similar to calcium; 340 mg per capsule. You asked for Strontium, and we listened! ... www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1195/ItemDetail - Similar Strontium Bone Maker 340mg, 60 Veggie Caps, Strontium Citrate ... Strontium Bone Maker 340mg, 60 Veggie Caps, Strontium Citrate from Doctor's Best $11.49 ea. www.cljhealth.com/Strontium-Bone-Maker.htm - Similar Strontium Bone Maker, Doctor's Best Strontium Supplement ... Buy Discount Strontium Bone Maker 340mg, 60 Veggie Caps, Strontium Citrate from Doctor's Best at VitaSprings. Find more product information on Strontium ... www.vitasprings.com/strontium-bone-maker-doctors-best... - Similar Pure Encapsulations Strontium (citrate) 90's Strontium (citrate) Trace mineral for bone health *Strontium is one of many trace minerals essential for bone health. It is a divalent cation and is ... www.naturamart.com/pure-encapsulations-strontium-citr... - Similar STRONTIUM CITRATE DIBASIC|813-97-8 Visit ChemicalBook To find more STRONTIUM CITRATE DIBASIC(813-97-8) information like chemical properties,Structure,melting point,boiling point,density ... www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB022... - Similar Vital Nutrients Strontium (citrate) 227 mg 90 capsules *Strontium(citrate) is an alkali earth metal, very similar in structure to calcium, and has a similar effect in the body. 99% of strontium is located in the ... store.agoodvitamin.com/vinustc227mg.html - Similar Strontium (Citrate) 90c - Vital Nutrients | Compare Prices and ... Save on Strontium (Citrate) 90c - Vital Nutrients. Read product reviews, find discounts, free shipping and special offers on Strontium (Citrate) 90c - Vital ... health-and-beauty.become.com/strontium-citrate-90c-vi... - Similar Structure of strontium citrate pentahydrate. Structure of strontium citrate pentahydrate. Zacharias DE, Glusker JP. Institute for Cancer Research, Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA 19111. ... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8297534 - Similar DEXA Scan Results After Strontium Citrate - Health Forums I recently conducted an informal poll on my blog to find out if my readers had seen improvements in bone mineral density (BMD) after taking ... www.health-forums.com/alt-support-menopause/dexa-scan... - Similar --------------------## Info foes on and on... As for the BIS drugs and done density - fact. Stops bone renewal/take-up. Ends by bones becoming brittle anyways. Stuff only works initially, then the bad stuff sets in culminating (for the very unlucky) with osteonecroisis of the jaw.) Other side effects are long bone aches - shin splints. Plys another load of side effects. Suggest reading the osteoporosis forum groups - many a tale of sad woe there! Sue, suggest you google it all up. Info is out there for all to learn about. Only requires searching. Which I am not prepared to do in this wonderful, glorious weather - 'smile'. strontium will do what is needed. Europe can't be wrong on all counts whereas, the side effects of the BIS drugs are a given, are a known factor. Take your own pick... Back to 'match of the day' - garden just watered (got a second prize for the town category: 'Floraisons des Maison'. Yee-Ha, but aiming for a first next season!) 
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Here - check out this as well as - More Offers: strontium citrate -in treating osteoporosis Web ResultsOsteoporosis - All People Who Are Taking "strontium citrate" Dec 5, 2009 ... Latest News and Information On Osteoporosis. ... All People Who Are Taking " strontium citrate" ... Related Osteoporosis Topics ... www.healthcentral.com/osteoporosis/c/drug/strontium+c... - Similar Womens Health Review WomensHealth Page 3 More Resources on Osteoporosis calcium supplements . thyroid osteoporosis ... strontium and osteoporosis. More Resources on strontium and osteoporosis . ... www.womens-health-review.com/index3.htm - Similar Osteoporosis - Natural Medical Protocols Folate: 5 mg. Calcium (Citrate form): 600 -1200 mg. Magnesium: 400 - 800 mg. ... Boron: 0.5 - 3 mg. Silicon: 1 - 2 mg. Strontium: 0.5 - 6 mg. ... Check for osteoporosis: Bone Density, Bone Scan, SPECT Scan, MRI, DEXA, DPA, SPA, QCT ... www.naturalopinion.com/nmp/nmp5/Osteopor.htm - Similar Nutritional Focus - DNA (Dynamic Nutritional Associates) For Bone Integrity: Strontium (from 648mg strontium citrate) 227mg, .... A Progesterone Cream to Support Menopause, PMS & Osteoporosis / Aloe Vera ... This product is not intended to prevent, treat, cure, mitigate, or diagnose any disease. www.nutritionalfocus.com/productpages/dna5.htm - Similar Wireless drug control Feb 8, 2009 ... Prev by Date: Wireless drug control; Next by Date: DEXA Scan Results After Strontium Citrate; Previous by thread: Wireless drug control ... newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Sci/sci.med.diseases... - Similar The Way Up - Site Map Natural Mineral Supplements, Products, Calcium Osteo Complex, Chromium Magnesium Glycinate .... Strontium Citrate 227mg · SeleNext® Active Selenium ... www.thewayup.com/site-map.html - Similar Strontium 2 | Albi Naturals L'étude TROPOS (Treatment of Peripheral Osteoporosis) a inclus 5091 femmes ayant une .... Strontium (élémentaire) (de 1950mg de strontium citrate) 680mg ... www.albinaturals.com/fr/products/strontium-2 - Similar STRONTIUM CURES osteoporosis - pharmaceuticals DO NOT. - talk ...
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dear molly, my wonderful researcher! thanks for all of that. skimmed over, will check out sites and articles later. yes, have been recently going to the osteoporosis sites such as: http://www.inspire.com/groups/national-osteoporosis-foundation/plan to do more googling research on sites such as this and others. now to the garden! i agree, with such beautiful weather, we should all be outside! if only i didn't have to work, but at least i have a window. but when at home, outside during the day, and mostly on the computer at night. and congrats on the garden awards! maybe you could send a photo to admin to show off your prize winning garden! finally got all my herbs in about 2 weeks ago. they all smell so nice! and finally more flowers, may is always great with all the lilacs, peonies, irises, poppies, then the garden gets a bit quiet for a few weeks, now day lilies, delphinias, hollyhocks, bee balm, and daisies are the stars. and the stewartia (tree) has been crazy blooming for a while now, it is a fabulous tree if you are ever looking for a tree to consider.
sue
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