Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group Fusing

My intention wasn't to argue about anti-TNF, but medical ethics don't allow me to let someone shows only one side of the medal. These links, studies show that nothing is black and white.

http://m.circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/25/3133.short
http://www.rheumatology.org.hk/upload_files/EDU06.08_TNF_failure.pdf
http://peer.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/56/83/16/PDF/PEER_stage2_10.1007%252Fs00296-009-1292-x.pdf

Looking for some clarification. We don't have the acronym; M.D. here.

What does it stand for please?

Nenandu,

I am still unclear on the overall point that you are trying to make. I think we are all aware of the side effects associated with biologic drugs. I think we can also agree that the long term side effects of biologic drugs is unknown. We agree that there are many uncertainties with these drugs. Most of us here would accept that these drugs can be dangerous. Many people here would also argue that it is well worth the risk..

I think you have to respect people's treatment decisions. I have nothing at all against you and I'm sure you are a really good person but I just feel as though your approach may have caused more conflict than it had to with several people. I hope you don't take this the wrong way. I am not attacking you.

Take care,

Seb

I suggest the moderators take us all out for "pie" and call this thread over.

Blessings.

M as Medical and D as Doctor, in ancient Greece called Medicus and in Otoman Empire called Hecim...in deed AS attacks everyone no matter what we do for living. I didn't mention that with some special intention just to say that I am reading and listening about it for decades already.

Seb,
If you read my posts from the start you will see that I had no specific intentions but to read experiences of people who have fusing. To see if diet has any impact on osification, if anyone made x-rays after longer period on NSD.
I didn't even mention biologics until glorification of it started. I guess I have right on my own opinion same as others.
And as I already said I don't judge anyone neither people on biologics neither on NSD. I am just trying to see benefits and side effects. Maybe someone who comes after us will have easier path to fight against AS if we objectively analize all facts. That's all.

Hi Possi

Hope to make apple pie this afternoon. The Winsap apple tree is a little early this year which is just fine by me. First I will be trimming the big shrub along the driveway. Takes about an hour and requires some ladder work. Coffee will help.

How is the bulb planting going? Have you started yet?

Oh, apple pie sounds wonderful. Especially with apples straight off your own tree. That seems to make them taste better. We had fruit trees when our kids were growing up. We made a lot of Apple Crisps. That was quick and easy after work/school.

No, I really am not going to be able to plant bulbs this year with my back still trying to recuperate. Can't bend, can't use the tools, etc. Our gardening daughter who is also finishing up Nursing School comes over to work in the flowers. She will plant the bulbs this year. :o) I am so thankful that she loves gardening. Right now she is cleaning out a bed so we can start anew and is digging out the stump of a huge Holly bush. It is in the "looks worse before it looks better" stage.

Take your time with trimming the shrub. It is so easy to overdo with projects like that. Are you using an electric trimmer? I hope. :o) I am not a coffee drinker so I wouldn't know. Tea helps. :o) Iced at the moment. Soon will be hot!!

I have not posted for along time and found this to be sad.I think AS affects every one a little different and to not look at all forms of pain relief is sad.What works for one person may not work for you.Look at every thing that can help.