Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; post apple diet

hello again,

i've been on the NSD/LSD for ~3weeks now. i've been having good slow progress for the past few weeks and i started the apple diet 5 days ago, so this is my second day off it. on the third day of the AD i felt REALLY good, better than i have felt in many months.

my first day off the diet i had bacon and eggs for breakfast. i made the mistake of cooking my eggs in the same pan i cooked my bacon, coated (about as much as i would normal oil. i drained quite a bit out after cooking the bacon, i just didn't want to clean the pan before using it again while my bacon got cold) with bacon grease, which i thought would add some flavor to my eggs (i usually add cheese, and can't stand plain scrambled eggs). anyways, whether or not this was bad for AS/klebs, my stomach and gut were upset the whole rest of the day. my gut was making weird rumbling/bubbling noises quite frequently. today, i'm feeling a bit stiffer, still better than i was, but not like i was on day 3 at all. anyone know why/if this might cause a flare.

i've read that some people on here experience flares after returning to the NSD after the AD sometimes without apparent reason. could this decrease in condition be from nutritional shock (going from 3days of AD then back to semi-regular NSD)? i've been good about avoiding fringe foods and such since i have come back to the NSD so i'm a little curious why i might be sliding backwards in progress.

i know it's still early and i still think that the diet is really working, i'm just wondering if anyone else has had a similar post-AD experience(s).

i'd really hate to have to live on ONLY apples for the rest of my life!

Thanks again!
-Evan
(formerly EvanUSA)

Hi, Evan:

Congratulations on completing the apple regimen!

I'm glad that you had good results, but BACON is a bad type of fat and FRYING is not good, also. We cannot eliminate all the Kp from our tracts, and the fry oils seem to exacerbate things, perhaps by trapping whatever bacteria remain and conducting them into our lesions ("Crohn's-like microlesions).

You are right in suspecting the bacon grease, especially because you felt it right away! I hope that you can get over this quickly--perhaps using more oils (EFAs are hydrophobic, whereas fried oils are denatured and have many free-radicals to damage tissues and are also hydrophilic--they stick to surfaces even coated with water and cause other things to stick--and don't seal them out) to help exclude the bad stuff.

We all have ups and downs in the learning process, but there are plenty of SAFE foods we can eat. Motor on with some prunes and 4oz of wheatgrass juice if available and you might sooner get over present setback. Grape juice is also a free-radical buster that can help, and ginger tea will also reduce inflammation and relieve stomach troubles if still experiencing discomfort.

Thank You, for your report and I hope that you will keep us informed as to your progress, and wish you much recovered health,

John

evan,

grats on the AD. from what i understand, you will have ups and downs like this even for the first few months if you stayed away from all bad foods. its like a DMARD...slowwww in working. don't give up.

john,

how about grilling turkey bacon with olive oil? and grape juice is ok? what type of grape juice? halleluyah! my taste buds are screaming for flavor.

andy

Hi Evan,

I just completed a few days of apples myself last weekend and felt a little stiffer the two days afterwards but it then relented. Not sure why since I was with safe foods for me.... but feeling great again now.

I will give admin a heads up regarding your name so you get the original back.

Take care,

Tim

Hi, andy:

I have not tried turkey bacon, but I believe it would be MUCH safer. The pork fat molecule is many times more complex than any other fat available to us as food, and it produces myriad free-radicals (and carcinogens) when heated, so other oils really are much safer than pork grease, generally.

Best Regards,
John

too much all at once, eh? Eat some fruit and tofu and nuts or vegetables for your first breakfast and save the heavy duty fat onslaught for brunch.
Beef bacon. Cook it well in some olive oil (it's drier than pork bacon) to crispy and DRAIN it thoroughly on paper towels. You can cook up a whole package at once and then store the leftovers in the refrigerator in a plastic bag. If you really don't want to wash the pan between the bacon and eggs, cook the bacon in a cast iron pan, and then pour off all the grease, and then wipe the pan out with paper towels. Then put some more olive oil in to cook the eggs.
Eat something else with the bacon and eggs that has some fiber and is not as high fat and that should also help. I like almond meal pancakes with blueberries on top, or sliced tomatoes, cucumbers, and lettuce on the side.
If you check the organic/gourmet food sections of some groceries it is possible to also find some fancy sausages made without grain fillers, starch, or pork, using chicken instead, and I think Coleman's Organics even makes them without a pork casing, using lamb instead.
I also will fry up hamburger sometimes and season it to taste like sausage, you add some salt, pepper, cider vinegar, sage, fennel or anise seed, garlic powder, a single drop of tabasco sauce, and it's pretty good.

i just bought some turkey breakfast sauasage (similar to like a bob evan's style log) from whole foods, haven't tried it yet but it looks good! i really only ate bacon the other day because it was the only meat available. i did have some other sausage but it all had MSG in it, which i read in someone's (bilko's?) list of foods to avoid.

Perhaps a fry up wasn't the best way to break your fast - a touch tough on the digestion. But now you are back eating you will probably find frying eggs and bacon together no problem.

Hi Evan, there are reasons and there could be many more for difficulties after an apple diet. I suggest that the GIT is relatively clean, but all the imperfections and "holes" are clean AND exposed. This means the body is vulnerable to large molecules which can enter the bloodstream and cause an allergy-type reaction.
Now is the time to try to heal the gut.
Also, fats (any fats) are not necessarily the best food after the huge hit of fat that the gall and liver had to deal with - the OO at the end of the fast. I had problems with avocado - basically oleic acid, similar to OO. It seems best to eat simple vegetable broths, then vegetables and easy stuff for a while. The GIT needs easily digested small molecule nutrients. Later simple fats with good protein are the go. Pork fat does seem to be a problem, best enjoyed when no other problems exist...
I've just done a juice variation of the AD as apples are out of season here - would prefer it to be fresh new Cox's Orange Pippin or similar though...
Something juicy, tangy-acid, definitiely not "chalky" in texture and as red as is available.
Well done!

>> my stomach and gut were upset the whole rest of the day. my gut was making weird
>> rumbling/bubbling noises quite frequently.

your body gets used to the low protein / low fat that is present when on the apple fast. When eating meat so soon after ending the fast.. well your body simply isn't going to be ready to digest it (eg: pancreatic enzymes, gastric juices, bile, etc have adapted to eating fruit fruit fruit and more fruit). So it is almost certain that plenty of that meat and fat went through the small intestine without being digested properly, thereby leaving it as a food source for bacteria.. hence fermentation => which produces gases => and hence all the funny gurgling noises