Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group refusing to adjust your diet - ur soft in the head

Darryn, enough is enough.

While I appreciate the apology that went with this comment, I'm afraid you are still missing the point, Darryn. First of all, I'm sorry, but no, you do NOT have to be "cruel to be kind." That's just a catchy song lyric, not a principle we espouse here at KA. More importantly, what you said did NOT "have to be said" because what you said was not the least bit helpful. The people here are adults who make their own choices for their own reasons, and as several people have said to you--including perhaps the sites most ardent supporter of the NSD--the diet does NOT work for everyone. Even if it did, it is obvious that you are still missing the point that people here do not need to be chastised or belittled into making what another person thinks is the right choice for them. The best thing you can do is let this topic die--you have made your point, so as an administrator of this site, I am asking that you please do not add any more fuel to the fire. If you cannot answer other members in a civil tone, then it is best that you simply leave this thread alone and move on to other matters. For the last time, it is not your role to instruct others on how to live their lives, nor does this site need anyone to fill such a role.

If you have any questions about this post, or any questions about why your posts in this thread have caused such a furor, please address them in a PM to myself or one of the other administrators (our names appear in red). Thank you.

Brad

And to others reading this post, my advice to Darryn is actually the best advice for everyone. All necessary points have been made in this thread, and it is best if we all move on to other topics. Continuing to fan the flames at this point would almost certainly serve no constructive purpose. As always, we would prefer to see a thread die a natural death as opposed to the admins having to actually close the thread, so I'm hoping that is what will happen here.

Thank you all in advance for your cooperation, and as always, keep kicking AS.

Brad

Brad--

I hear Ya! LOL

I'm a pariah with my Berkeley friends now; they claim that I '...must have lost too many brain cells during that 20 hour surgery.' Somehow, I think they are right.

But You would not need to change Your party affiliation, just become a cereal killer!

HEALTH,
John

Thanks for sharing. Whether you choose to believe it or not, there are several billion people on this planet who may not always agree with you.

Besides, I'm fine with being "soft in the head".

Hope you feel better tomorrow,

Chris

HA HA HA Sorry Im with you Chris I might be soft in the head but I at least respect my KA friends and there wishes on choice.

Kevin

Hi, cryssfriend:

I don't know what "diet" you are comparing, but neither the LSD nor the NSD allows all the foods You have listed. NSD is much stricter, and we have to test even fruits sometimes.

I hope that You will take the time to learn about NSD and give it a fair chance. I have highlighted some of the problems with Your list, for people with AS:



There is good information on the NSD Forum and good ideas for increasing safe food choices.

HEALTH,
John

I just looked over the food on the list..
Im a food addict. I attend meetings (like AA) and in order for me to have a happy sane life I have given my will over to another person that gave told me what to eat. This is how I do it and I have lost 104 lbs in less then a year.

I am new and you all use terms that I have yet to figure out what they mean. I have yet to be to the doctor again (Going to wed) since diagnosed so I have been on my own trying to figure it out since I got the phone call. so when you peope use NDSA or something I have no idea what you are talking about.

So if you have suggestions then I am all ears

The yogurt can be changed to milk, cottage cheese, cheese, eggs, soy.
THe cooked veggies.. I just steam a veggie
The fruit, I normally have an apple to banana.
Oats- I believe we need some sort of grain in our diets to be 'healthy' correct? How else do you know to get your grain in? Oats can be changed with shredded wheat, cream of wheat, Uncle Sams Cereal, Puffed Rice..
I basically don't eat Flour and Sugar
so thats that

REDUCE THE FOLLOWING

1. Bread and flour products:
Bread (white, brown, wholemeal, etc.) in very limited amounts.
Crispbreads, biscuits, cream crakers, twiglets.
Cakes, puddings and pies.
Pastas, spaghetti, noodles, macaronis, pizzas, chappati, pitta bread, popcorn.
2. Rice
Brown, white, boiled, fried or in puddings.
3. Potatoes

Chips, baked, boiled, roasted or mashed potatoes, and potato crisps to be avoided.

INCREASE THE FOLLOWING: EAT PLENTY OF PROTEINS, VEGEATABLES, AND FRUITS:

1. Meat
Beef, pork, lamb, sausages, bacon, salami, pate, corned beef, potted meats, ham and veal. Venison. Chicken, turkey, duck or any other poultry meats.
2. Fish
White fish: Cod, haddock, plaice, dover sole.
Herring, salmon, mackerel, tuna, sardines fresh or tinned in oil, brine, or tomato.
Shellfish: Crab, lobster, prawns, scampi, cockles mussels, oysters.
3. Milk and Milk Products
4. Eggs
Prepared in any manner.
5. Vegetables
All green vegetables, cabbage, cauliflower, sprouts, courgettes, peppers, mushrooms, spinach, broccoli or carrots.
6. Fruits

All kinds of fruits.

NORMAL INTAKE ONLY: FATS AND SUGARS.

NO RESTRICTIONS ON BEVERAGES OR SPICES

I guess this is what I was looking at.. it says REDUCE rice and such. 4oz a day I thought would be a REDUCING
thats all I was refering to.

I had asked about the DIET with my rheumy. His comment was that placebo's were effective 50% of the time. He meant to say that the diet will work for some and not for others. I don't believe there are any long term studies for a diet protocol? If not, there really should be. For me, since I am diabetic, I am already on a low carb aka low starch diet. I tell you that I saw no difference from before and after.

This is not from a rheumy who is anti-Ebringer. In fact, he admits Dr. Ebringer will be proven that he was correct given time.

Hi cryssfriend,
Welcome to KickAS.org.
NSD and LSD means 'No Starch Diet' and 'Low Starch Diet'. What people use to test for starch content is a bottle of iodine. If the iodine turn black on any piece of food, the food has some starch in it. There is also starch in pills, drinks, lunchmeat, and all sorts of things we wouldn't expect, including fruits and vegetables, and even some dairy. Coincidently, my wife is out buying me a bottle of iodine right now (if she can find it at walmart).

There is a subforum here dedicated to the no/low starch diets if you are interested. There are alot of people here doing it.

If we must have our grains, I think working with whole grain foods only is our best bet. The less processing and ingredients the better. This is how it is for me. This goes against NSD/LSD though.

Congrats on loosing all the extra weight. I wouldn't mind loosing up to 50 pounds.
Take care,
James