Kickas.org Forums Ankylosing Spondylitis General Discussion #1 AS Web Support Group How the Human Microbiome causes Chronic Disease

Thanks for that. Watched it and another seminar of his.

Makes me think if its so systemic and not just isolated to the gut, maybe why fecal transplants have a way to go for chronic illness.

That blood pressure med that also works on the innate immune system sounded really promising though

Desperate recording - great difficulty in listening as there was so much crackle and pop ! However, managed to get the gist of it. Interesting. So, Marshall reckons that the DEMARDS and biotherapies make disease worse in the long run...Ho-Hum.

Sue, which was the drug for hypertension ? The only drug I could pick out was the Olmesartan, which is a BP med (I have a packet of of it here, but don't take due to side effects). Was there another drug, perhaps in a different video ? Could you clarify please.

Thanks -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0y0PcVJ5Ss

This is on Olmesartan. Facinating. So, by combining Olmesartan with an antibiotic one can manage (cure?) autoimmune disease including AS...

See there are more video presentations on the same subject, gotta go listen to em !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2yEwnZy8B8

On Vit-D and Olmesartan. Ended in a muddle. Marshall was pulled up by one very bright 'chair', and was asked to clarify between a 'D' and a 'D'. Will have to go back to try and untangle - the accent of the 'chair' was very thick. Would so like to read a transcription ! (But, gotta get on, and go attend my class, to try and learn French...)

There's a website for the Marshall Protocol with a lot of information. You can join the forum and ask questions, if you like.
A young very bright lady who had chronic fatigue started a site called bacteriality (I think, I'll have to get the link). She writes articles about the Marshall protocol that are easy to understand.
I did the complete avoidance of Vitamin D for several months, but wasn't willing to take the antibiotics because of being allergic to penicillin at a young age and then getting sick from other antibiotics (and actually any medicine). They said if you didn't do the antibiotics you would never get better. I didn't believe them, and I did get better without them.
There's a lot to learn from Dr. Marshall, but I wouldn't do the protocol. I don't take any medicine, though, so if you need to get off a medicine with dangerous side effects, it could be worthwhile.

Hello. I don't know much about the Marshall protocol. Heard it has been criticised for beeing not enought scientific. Anyway, what I found interresting was the link with microbiome wich seems for me more and more obvious everyday. I'm probably not aware of every researchs but I 've got the feeling that actually much more money and communication are on the side of immuno-regulation. I guess it will change soon.
One question. Recently they prooved that the lack of bacteria Arkkemansia could cause obesity. Very soon they might do pre or probiotics to help you loose weight. An other study about AS shown that the microbiome of people with AS didn't have much of this bacteria that seems to live in the intestinal mucus. Did somebody heard about it?

I also found this pdf (hope the link is working)called "Microbiome Research Priority Workshop Report". Interrestings points on page 4.

http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arthritisresearchuk.org%2Fresearch%2F~%2Fmedia%2F849B81B26285441DA25C0A044B1D5C72.ashx&ei=Pk3VUvT0EaX30gXeuoC4DQ&usg=AFQjCNHBdjNNIeZmGUxDdDGrVLCr5b3ipA&sig2=yJ-ExirlvKtvRSc9-XrURw&bvm=bv.59378465,d.d2k

The bacteria is "Akkermansia" sorry.

I've read about the microbiome being balanced by the immune system. The Th1 branch is responsible for dealing with bacteria, virii, and fungi. Getting that in good working order would be one way of fixing the gut issue.

Yes, you're right, and more than that, the microbiome could probably be considered as a part of the immune système himself: bacterias don't let the new (and bad) ones find a place in the body. Moreover, if the immune système modify the microbiome, it's very likely that the microbiome also shapes the système. So it seems quite complexe but I'm sure those discoverys will lead to many cures (maybe for obesity, autisme, some auto immunes problèmes etc.)
Actually they just found the microbiome DNA three years ago. It was much more complexe than expected, and some doctors said this groupe of symbiotic bacterias could be considered as an organ that we never heard of before.