cripes.................I humbly apologise to Jroc and the Dragon for daring to toss a scone (hopefully starch free) into the debate........It was not my intention to hi-jack this thread , merely to provide sustenance to the two wearied factions.........I humbly submit my resignation from the KA Cake Club and promise never to enter a thread with a scone ever again................errrr what's your view on Fruit Cake?