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Hello everyone!

I've been thinking a lot lately why people after being on the diet for some time can tolerate starch better and better.

It may be because these people have so little klebsiella pnemonia in their systems that it doesn't grow even if they eat starch.

It may be because they have healed their gut and no k p leaks out (?) and therefore the immune system doesn't react.

And now to my newest theory:
To explain my theory I start with an example of how the immune system works when you are vaccinated: A small dose
of the bacteria or virus is injected in your body, this causes the immune system to react and it kills the bacteria or virus and then remembers how to kill it if it's spotted again. But in most cases the immune system only remembers it for some time...

So this is my theory: When we for some reason have an overgrowth of the klebsiella the immune system reacts to it and creates antibodies to kill it. Only it's something wrong with these antibodies because they attack healthy B-27 cells aswell. The body has made a rare misstake. So you start the NSD diet and reduces the levels of klebsiella so that your body quits making these antibodies. Years go by and when you finally start to eat more starch again and your klebsiella levels rise, the immune system may have forgotten how it killed them the last time and now kills them with correct antibodies that doesn't also attack the B-27 cells.


I may be way off here but don't know if anyone has seen it like this before?

Please give me feedback!

H ey, keep up the hypotheses! You may be on to something. You should read about the brain and chronic pain, its really interesting....

Very interesting theory!

An interesting theory Sverige. I hope you're right! Are you still making good progress and also being able to introduce more starch in your own diet then?

Hi!

I got my first AS symptoms 4 months ago (although I've had a kind of constant mild iritis for 3 years. Got my AS diagnosis about 2 months ago. Started to try the NSD about 6 weeks ago. It took me about 4 weeks to get it right and last week I quit my NSAIDs. Have been feeling better and better every day since i quit them. So I'm still a beginner to the NSD, but I hope to feel well and to be able to eat whatever I want sometime in the distant future.

Hi Servige,

I have been on the diet over 5 yr's now and only taken healing gut seriously for about 2 years. Currently I can eat some fringe foods I could not before and some forms of starch (Brown rice) and not feel much stiffness from AS.

If I cheated on the diet quite a bit, my AS would return full force despite all my work over the years. So at this point, can not see how the theory would be factual for me in my personal case.

I am in agreement with Zark in that it relates to improving GI health (leaky gut) and also correcting disbyosis in the GI.

Thanks for sharing,

Tim

Even those of us in remission have elevated levels of auto-antibodies to HLA B27 (compared with controls). The immune system never forgets. Once AS always AS. And the immune system reacts to the klebs across the healthiest of gut membranes. The diet is not a cure but it is better than using drugs for the rest of your life.

Hi bilko!

Thank you for your reply!

Okey so the reason one should be focused on healing the gut is because when you have a damadged gut the klebs get in the bloodstream and causes a major reaction? And when the klebs are on "the right side" of the mucosa lining and in small numbers this is when one can reach remission?

Also, how would you explain that some people can reintroduce starch again?

I'm just eager for knowledge and you seem to know a lot! thanks!

When the gut is healed the only source of food for the klebs is undigested food you eat. When the gut has lesions then they can form colonies beneath the mucosa membrane and feed on you; then you will need antibiotics to eliminate them.

I am not convinced people can reintroduce starch as the staple of their diet. Small amounts can be tolerated, but they are not highly refined wheatflour products, usually things like rice.