Kickas.org Forums Treatments, Drugs and Alternatives NSD and diet-related; Xylitol [sugar substitute]

ok, I think it is finally safe to come out of the bathroom. Jk! I am still on the fence about the xylitol, mainly because I am not sure it is good for me to be using while trying not to eat sugars. It does have a wonderful cleansing ability, although I haven't really noticed it kicking me out of this flair. I am trying really hard to not drink coffee and my favorite hazelnut creamer, (this is probably why I can't get out of this flair) dairy or any fruit or sugars. In fact, I am trying to remember why I am doing this, anyway. So far, it has been one thing after another I get to take off my grocery list, and its getting ridiculous! Sounds freakin dumb to crave vinegar, don't you think? AAHHHH sorry, I will get back off the pitty pot and keep goin, cause that is what we do, isn't it?

I was wrong about the Xylitol. I have definitely been able to greatly reduce or elliminate a flair with it. Generally, within an hour or two of drinking a glass, I feel much, much better.

Hi, i read a blog a couple of days ago written by a scientist.


In the blog he said that people with chrons react to the enzyme that klebsiella uses to break down starch and AS reacts to nitrogenase that the bacteria uses to create hydrogen when it eats starch. Maybe no nitrogenase is created when it isnt eating starch? Just a thought =) The post and some others he has written about klebsiella can be found here: http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/search/label/Klebsiella

Do you think that klebs can mutate into eating glucosamine too? I know a dude who has eaten glucosamine for 30 years and hardly get any flairs. When he does, he eats alkaline minerals and the flair goes down again. He eats starchy foods, sugary foods, fatty foods.. you name it.

I was thinking that it works by promoting good gut bacteria and healing the intestine but maybe it could work like this too..

Wow, this is a very good thread. Only yesterday I told a Fibro friend that Xylitol would be a good alternative, if she genuinely cannot afford Stevia. Now thinking I am wrong.

I can easily get back to her, but have also been thinking about myself with this.

I have never notices flares nor any increase of sacrioliac or joint pain following eating Xylitol, but I had noticed a tendency for me to crave it, and due to concerns that I may have been becoming addicted to it, I gave it up

Was this the Candida, or Klebsiella or another pathogen that I am not currently aware of?

I have read reports that Klebsiella can mimic Candida and I have also read research papers that claim pathogens mutate to the point where they are undistinguishable from thier orginal form, hence being labeled a different pathoge altogether, but actually being the same thing

I do not really understand all this but what i do know, is that when I do not eat any forms of carbhydrate, all my ailments whether from the Candida, suspected Klebsiella or even another pathogen, all my symptoms wain

It is my understanding that all pathogens, even cancer pathogens feed or one form of carbohydrate or another. Since they are not so crazy on protein and fat, I have for now decided to make the focus of all my meals 'carb free' for now

I am going to continue studying the carb world and find out which carbohydrates are generally regarded safe by AS sufferes and Candida sufferers and when i do re-introduce carbohydrate into my diet I am going to ensure that I never eat more than a childs handful per day

I know i do not need them. My body fuctions much more normally without them, and it does not only function well it actually begins to recover and get well without them

My only purpose to eat them will be to sustain my weight whilst in ketosis. I know that i am generally allergic to most chemical medication so if I do not take care of myself in this way, the alternative of having to take high doses of anything, is absolutely terifying to me

I am glad I did give up that Xylitol before that became another problem for me. And after all these years of trying to establish the safe carbs for me, this acknowledgement that maybe none are really is giving me a feeling of inner peace

I do not 100% know which carbs I am going to experiment with but i do know what ever they are, if I take a liking to them, if I start to crave them ad desire to indulge in them, they will be stopped immediately

Carbs that give me pleasure always seem to give my wee friends in my belly the small pleasure if ot more

Anyway, this is what I am seeing with myself. It may not be so with everybody here. I think if it is only the one pathogen that is in your gut environment that needs taming then this carb madness may not happen for you. I think it is when we have gangs of the little 'gangsters', taking over everywhere that the problems with the 'carb drug' in the 'pathogen society' then becomes a problem. When the supply is controlled they all crawl back into their little houses


This is my metophor for it. I have see this auto-immune problem elsewhere. I have spent many years with the uncurable, witnessing the miraculous, and in my view this bacteria 'gang land lawlessness' occurs only when toxins are present and when the diet it so 'excitable' and does not resemble closely the atural diet that all powerful animals eat.

I am regretting now telling my friend to eat the Xylitol, something did not ring correct when i said it. I told her Fibro folk can get away with these things whilst they are adjusting their diet, and they can for a short while. But Fibro is in my view a syndrom not an illness and it is a secondary issue. In my experience Fibro comes around where there is an underlying illness that has not been diagnosed or treated that persists in the background

Nobody knows which pathogen is involved in Parkinsons and current medical science claims there is not one. Well I can tell you this, since my dad has chose to minimise his carb intake his condition is dramiatically improved. Which reminds me I told him Xylitol is OK too. I don't think he bothers with it much but i should call down their today and give him the stevia (which i do thik is safe LOL) that I am now not using LOL

Love Joanne