Hi, Wally:
In reply to:
you cannot use Ebringer’s studies to scientifically prove there are no diet-insensitive AS sufferers, which is what you and others attempted to do earlier in this thread. Since he filtered out those AS volunteers without high levels of Klebsiella antibodies
It was not my intention to give the impression that there are no vegetarian tigers, only that Ebringer did not find any. I happen to know that there ARE diet insensitive sufferers and could have easily been in that group myself, if I had wanted to be. Extrapolating the 9-month ESR values for Ebringer's primary test cases, some of them would not have achieved a normal value until 2-1/2 years! I'm a bit less patient and so I opted for antibiotics, fasting, apple diet and total starch elimination (NSD) to speed things along.
He (Ebringer) was unable to 'filter out' AS volunteers without high levels of Klebsiella antibodies because such a group did not exist (as a group), and the rare data point that I have observed with even near-control levels (inactive group), he left in his studies on purpose; for the very reasons you wish to see them. You can look at the data directly--it is posted in the Medical section (I'm going over old territory here). If you do not want to accept the group of 450-600 individuals as an adequate sample size, that is your own choice; based upon this information, however, I have made the personal choice to not call out to any tigers or either anther any panther.
I did say before that Ebringer did not screen out ANY AS individual. Those with inactive AS were just as important for control purposes as those with active disease; please read the papers...I have been through them many times. And again, his definition of AS was much broader than conventional rheumatologists (and, regrettably, is so today), because he recognised PRE-AS (BEFORE SIJ damage).
Like you, I would never have realized that I had any intestinal problems until taking NSAIDs. I do not believe they simply 'uncovered' a lack of intestinal fortitude, they did new damage which greatly accelerated the progress of my disease. Early on, however, I did know that certain foods made my condition much worse and triggered flares. What happened originally is that I thought that these were greasy, fried foods (we fry some meat, but mostly starches), and when I eliminated meat from my diet I did not suffer as much. Now, I understand it is the combination of meats and starches that was the most provocative, and hamburger buns were the main culprit. I have (after 22 years) reintroduced meats into my diet with acceptable results (although...note to Loz...yes I have some moral issue with meat in general but more with certain specific ones which I either totally avoid or eat quite sparingly).
Antibiotics were almost certainly required to take down the occluded Kp colonies which had life cycles totally unrelated to the character of my contents (there is a speech in there!).
I'm willing (and have asked input from Andrei Calin and others) to formulate a more widespread dietary study, and with biological prices still high I believe that I could get a grant to accomplish this. If you have any input for the DOE, I would be grateful for the help.
Best to You,
John
PS: Apologise for spelling recognized incorrectly and for quoting twice from Bonzo Dog Band
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